The man who owns the Surrey, B.C., home where two people accused of trying to carry out a domestic terrorist plot lived questions how the pair could have pulled off such a plan.
Ramesh Thaman said he's not sure how a couple that had limited means could have financed the plot.
“I wonder, you know, how these people … how they could do this thing. I’m very much shocked. It’s very strange.”
John Stewart Nuttall, 30, and Amanda Korody, believed to be around 30, are accused of trying to detonate homemade bombs at the B.C. legislature on Canada Day.
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Thaman told reporters the couple had lived in a basement suite in the home at 120th Street and 97A Avenue for about three years and usually paid their rent on time.
Thaman, who said the suite was always messy and didn't look much different after police went through it, allowed reporters inside on Wednesday morning.
CBC News reporter Steve Lus, who saw the suite, said the first thing that struck him upon entering was the overwhelming smell of a litter box that was in a back bathroom.
"This place, for lack of a better word, is a total pigsty," Lus said. "[Maybe] it's partially because police have picked over it, but the landlord says that's basically the way that this couple lived."
Lus said prescription methadone bottles were strewn throughout the apartment, as were video games and DVDs.
"The overwhelming sense you get is people who lived basically in squalor," he said.
Talk of 'jihad'
Charlene Thompson, who lives across the street, wasn't surprised after hearing the news, as she had witnessed some troubling behaviour at the home starting about four months ago.
She said that early one morning she overheard Nuttall having a loud phone conversation in the alley.
"[He was] yelling into his cellphone, and you could hear the guy yelling back at him on the cellphone," said Thompson, who then called 911.
"He was … talking about jihad and all sorts of things," she added.
Nuttall and Korody are alleged to have turned ordinary pressure cookers into improvised explosive devices filled with rusted nails, nuts, bolts and washers. RCMP accuse the couple of planning to detonate them outside the legislature building.
An RCMP official claims the couple were "inspired by al-Qaeda ideology," but security experts and some who know the accused question what, exactly, that means.
"I wasn't really surprised.… It is a little shocking, but I wasn't surprised," Thompson said. "I figured something was going to go with this guy — he wasn't really shy about who he was."
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Katrina Mandrake-Johnston, who worked with Korody at Scott Hill Convenience Store, described her as kind and generous.
“I was pretty shocked. They don’t seem the type to do that. I’m figuring someone coerced them into doing it," Mandrake-Johnston said.
"If they were behind it alone, I would be very shocked.”
Kicked out of Surrey mosque
Friend Ashley Volpatti, who met Nuttall and Korody at the corner store, said the couple had converted to Islam, but their behaviour suddenly changed about six months ago when they got kicked out of a local mosque.
But Ashley doubts they could have acted alone in the alleged bomb plot and believes someone else must have been involved.
"It doesn't seem like something they would do or think of doing," she said.
"I honestly think there is something a little more to it than just them. Like, there is somebody else. Somebody that planted the seed in the back of their head to do this, 'cause just the two of them alone could not have pulled this off."
Ashley said the former street kids were "really, really nice people" who had converted to Islam and were attending a local mosque.
"Before they turned Muslim they were street punks. That's what they were."
But Volpatti said that as they became increasing religious, their behaviour suddenly changed.
"Johnny played guitar, and then about seven months ago he got rid of all his guitars. Why? Don't know. He loved them. That's what he was into."
"She would always have her hair covered, long sleeves. If they weren't in traditional dress they were in camo-gear — camo pants, camo shirts."
In one conversation, she said, Nuttall became quite angry, saying his brother had served with the Canadian military, but that he believed Canadian soldiers shouldn't be over "on Muslim soil."
Ashley said Nuttall played paintball with her boyfriend, but saw nothing that would indicate the couple might be involved in a bombing plot.
Then about six months ago, the pair became distant and stopped socializing with Ashley and her boyfriend.
"He used to go to the mosque and he got kicked out of the mosque. Why I don't know, but that was when he really, really got into the religion.… I think a lot of it had to do they were too much into their religion, way too much into their religion."
"It was really odd behaviour. A guy in silver pickup would just come by and drop him off and they would talk, and he would leave."
That was roughly the same time that CSIS and the RCMP began their investigation into the pair, based on what police said on Tuesday.
Korody attended school in Ontario
A former teacher at St. Catharines Collegiate in Ontario, where Korody attended Grade 9 classes, spoke to CBC News Wednesday.
The teacher, who asked not to be named, remembers Korody as a troubled teen, an outsider, who was in conflict with her parents.
Korody was also described as a gifted student and was part of the school's gifted program.
Nuttall, meanwhile, was described as a musician who was kicked out of a heavy metal band because he drank too much.
Lead singer Colin Stuart of the Victoria-area group Lust Boys said he wasn't surprised to hear Nuttall was in trouble with the law.
But Stuart was shocked to learn about Nuttall's alleged religious views.
A credible threat?
Meanwhile, University of Waterloo counter-terrorism expert Veronica Kitchen said that from what police have told the public, she's not sure if the bomb plot was a credible threat.
"On the one hand it could be that the RCMP thwarted something, or it could just be that these individuals weren't very good at doing terrorism," she said.
Kitchen said terrorism will always pose a threat to the public, but that doesn't mean members of the public should be too concerned.
"We shouldn't worry too much about the fact that we can't achieve perfect security, because it's also true that most of the time, for most Canadians, terrorism is not a thing they need to be worried about," she said.
"They're much more likely to be hurt or killed, say in a car accident, than they are by a terrorist attack."
Kitchen said those with extreme views aren't necessarily a problem — the trick is understanding when they become capable of acting on their views and where they learn how to commit acts of violence.
Nuttall and Korody are scheduled to make their next court appearance on Tuesday.
With files from the CBC's Emily Elias, The Canadian Press
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